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Posted 18 July 2019 - 11:05 AM

the unexamined thought is not worth thinking. billions of neurons following the least path of resistance. this means not everything works logically. the skills of logic and critical thinking are skills learned to balance out our emotions. and it takes practice. our memories are flawed, we take mental short cuts, and use (heuristics) mental patterns to following lines of thought.

how to compensate for our flawed mental cognition? Use systematic doubt; skepticism. Question everything you think you know. Basing beliefs on actual evidence. Are our conclusions reliable. A positive set of methods for examining reality. find the conclusions that are actually true. even science can turn pseudo. science is just a methodology to find what is true. sometimes, even the method itself is flawed.

What does it mean to actually know something. natural effects have natural causes. magical thinking does not work in a scientific environment. sometimes delusion can take over. inventing new realities or getting swept up in the beliefs of others. each of at this point seems to be one neuron in a collective. grouping and cohesion takes place at this point. like beliefs sticking with like believers. viral claims with a smidgen of truth can cause further confusion for the whole. false claims run rampant across the board.

investing emotion into a conclusion can cause one to twist facts and logic to suit an argument. Fact twisting to suit a given theory is done on a massive scale especially in the media. It invests in a 'scientific process to spread with the speed of electrons. Capturing 'credulous ideas and making them 'real'.

Influencers are marketing claims using persuasive speech to sell anything. Pseudo scientific claims are presented with grandiose ethos (experts) to give it weight. Compelling anecdotes go a long way in convincing any claim.

 

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Posted 18 July 2019 - 11:11 AM

What is critical thinking?
 
examine all the facts, what is assumption, examine the logic, is it biased, be aware of your and others motivations. what are the implications of a belief and always check with others. Our individual claims are limited. when a large consensus takes place for a common 'golden' belief (even if its a biased) means you've at least achieved thinking and emotional patterns that step outside of just yourself. This is a positive...
 
...at this point I'm thinking a group - any group - now has to look inside critically and step outside of itself. They might just find they're inside another box filled with a whole new set of hierarchical rules and process'. Even groups can be flawed in their own critical thinking skills. No one can be 'right all the time. Influencers have their own special skills to plug into any 'market'.
 
It's important to know your own limits.
 
Question those too.
 
Be comfortable with uncertainty.
 
It's OK to say I don't know.
 
 
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Posted 18 July 2019 - 11:19 AM

Beliefs, motivations, and reason

Our brains are born to believe. Especially what we want to believe. What motivates this? We arrive at beliefs through our own emotions.

Emotions provide a direct behavioral motivation for decision making. What are the emotional and psychological needs we need? Self actualization & the desire to be loved. A desire for control or the illusion or sense of it. This tends to add beliefs in superstition. A desire for simplicity over a much more complicated realities. Easy to stereotype things at this point. Looking for one answer to explain everything. Obviously, this doesn't work because reality is more complicated than we think. A need for self esteem is important too. Humans are intensely social animals. We seek attention to fill our own senses of self worth. A bit of ego motivates us to interpret the world that is favorable to a group or individual ego.

Salesman can exploit our common needs by getting a customer to support a need. Getting the buyer down to the last objection. Making the person appear inconsistent in their decision making process. Cognitive dissonance involves two beliefs that conflict with each other. it motivates us to resolve a conflict. one or both must be correct in some way. we also update these beliefs when we invent reasons to resolve the conflict.

Another emotion is our innate sense of justice. Reciprocation is common. Evolving our emotional senses of what is right or wrong. A sense of essense is involved. This is where inanimate objects can appear to have a sense of history giving it a priceless quality. Concepts of spiritually, animus chi, prana, etc. involves essence and goes beyond the material. We process living things through emotions. Also, a sense of the supernatural gives us a need for connection to something profound and greater than ourselves and our collective on Earth.

All this affects our behavior. Psychologists do influence public behavior. They rely on ignorance to feed. They don't give people information so they can use their reason to arrive at a rational decision themselves. Another social engineering technique is to use fear as a motivator. Using drama and emotional argumentation to fire up an audience is the norm of the day. Social peer pressure is another technique involved.

Learning to use the tools associated with psychological control techniques is what society should be looking for. Critical thinking skills are key. Grammar, Rhetoric, and Logic is a foundational starting point to begin the process of using your mind, heart, and soul to identify & overcome the wrong emotional needs that give us all negative distress.

Being more aware of the filters (political, scientific, religious, media, etc.) involved in our behavior process' can help an individual understand themselves and others to a greater degree.

Emotional intelligence is understanding the difference between our motivations and our decisions plus relieving cognitive dissonance with rationalization. Transcending our monkey brains to the more critical frontal lobes to make better decisions instead of letting our emotions rule the self.


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Posted 18 July 2019 - 11:30 AM

Errors in perception

Is seeing believing or is believing seeing?

Our perceptions are limited. They cannot take a snapshot of a scene and store it all in memory for later playback with scrutiny. Magicians have developed a practical knowledge in how to deceive people right in the face. So have lawyers and scientists. They have developed their own jargon that leaves most of the public looking to them for confirmation of what is right or wrong.

This knowledge can also be used for nefarious purposes. This reminds me of the old saying 'ignorance is not an excuse'. This only works when ignorance itself is actively taken advantage of by those who would hold knowledge from others. Who's fault is it at that point? Those who are ignorant really do have an excuse.

Artists have also learned to play with perceptions. Using perspectives and abstracts to widen the range of human perception. Turning 2D canvas' into 3D illusions. Practical optical illusions are a great example of the constructed aspect of our sensory input. These are usually misconceptions of reality. This falls into the realm of psychological realities perhaps even some moral ones as well.

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Posted 18 July 2019 - 11:41 AM

Constancy are objects in the world that are stable. Optical illusions can exploit our 2D visual perceptions. Giving a a reasonable 3D version of what is seen. Ambiguous stimulus is where the brain can construct the image in more than one way. After images adapt to lighting and color and when its changed it can leave a ghost image that isn't really there. Shadow illusions over checkerboards are another illusion used in perception trickery. Illusions involving distance also work well. Cube illusions are another.

 

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Perspective bias is where the lighting from above comes from showing a direction of spin. The direction the spin takes seems to come from one direction more than the other. But, our brains are able to switch perceptions. Still, the bias remains. Is the bias itself something important to consider or argue about?

 

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Remember the blue and gold dress social experiment? Notice how it caused bias between the two. One side fighting with the other to prove their perceptions to be true. Yes, these are small things to fight over. But, now use this experiment and apply it to other types of controversy and what do you get. Constant disillusion and social cognitive dissonance. No focus on anything substantial.

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Posted 18 July 2019 - 12:01 PM

Different senses can also influence our perceptions and construct one seamless picture for all of them.

 

It can adjust one sense or another to make things match.

Are you a wine connoisseur?

The Legendary Study That Embarrassed Wine Experts Across the Globe

In a sneaky study, Brochet dyed a white wine red and gave it to 54 oenology (wine science) students. The supposedly expert panel overwhelmingly described the beverage like they would a red wine. They were completely fooled.

The research, later published in the journal Brain and Language, is now widely used to show why wine tasting is total BS. But more than that, the study says something fascinating about how we perceive the world around us: that visual cues can effectively override our senses of taste and smell (which are, of course, pretty much the same thing.)

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Posted 18 July 2019 - 12:51 PM

Auditory perceptions

Gender perceptions are affected by the voice that we hear. Especially when the visual input is ambiguous. Another example is the McGurk affect: the consonants which we see are the consonants we hear.

McGurk Effect

The McGurk effect describes the perceptual illusion that occurs when the visual perception of a sound (seeing lips move) is paired with the auditory information of a different sound which produces a perception of a different third sound. Hearing and visual cues work together when we are perceiving speech. When a person hears a different sound than what the visual information suggests it can cause a perceptual illusion. People who frequently watch dubbed foreign language films are immune to this effect because they are used to seeing lips move that are paired with different sounds. This phenomenon was first introduced by McGurk and McDonald (1976) when researching visual information for speech comprehension.

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Posted 18 July 2019 - 01:03 PM

Gender perceptions are affected by the voice that we hear. Especially when the visual input is ambiguous.

 

 

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Posted 18 July 2019 - 01:05 PM

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Posted 18 July 2019 - 01:09 PM

Temporal synchronization. Sounds and sites seem to be simultaneous.

Like clapping of the hands..

There are two or more types of information running to your brain. The timing infers itself in separate fashion with each sense involved. It seems your brain does perceive them to be simultaneous but it is not so. As long as your auditory and visual information is within 80 milliseconds of each other, your brain will perceive them as simultaneous.

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