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Posted 26 October 2019 - 11:45 AM

"To the pure all things are pure"

"The ends justify the means"

In this thread were going to talk about the existence of secret societies. They are ancient and form a distinct heritage in human culture. We're going to look at some of the history, doctrine, and their purpose for existence. They are all organized for a purpose from the practical, to the political, even philosophical, or just down right absurd. Some secret societies have even inspired great changes in society in general; affecting revolutions and beliefs the world over. We won't be covering any rituals or secret handshakes in this thread. But, we'll be focusing on how secret societies have influenced history. Their appearance and disappearance and then reappearance again and again, plus their influences on other societies and perhaps a few that have stood the test of time as the same thing but under different names.

Espionage, politics, and the occult most often comes into play in any secret society. Symbols are a huge factor. They have also left their mark on religion and popular culture. Studying their behaviors is like a form of political science.

Most secret societies don't hide their existence and sometimes advertise it. The secret parts are what goes on inside them. Rituals, passwords, beliefs, ethics, and identities and common. Some societies are created to make fun of other societies, or as a ritual drunken get together celebrating a fraternity or common idea, or as an educational discussion of historical knowledge. I.E. Benjamin Franklin's Junta Society.

All secret societies are inherently discriminate. As an example: if you know the secret hand shake you're more apt to gain favor over one who doesn't. They practice selective recruitment and the promise of special knowledge and power. Status within a group setting is also an attraction. It's almost like an artificial family. Fraternities, sororities, clubs, and other public institutions can be considered societies within societies. Some societies even form in opposition to another; some even imitate others.

History is not a known quantity. It's incomplete, argumentative, and very messy. Now add secrecy to the mix and you got past scenes seen through a glass darkly. History is just a way to take what facts that do survive and reconstruct them to give lessons about humanities failures and successes. How our behavior as a whole has affected each other and our environment. This leaves plenty of room for interpretations and speculations of all sorts. Secret societies do tend to bring up the same ideas and philosophies over and over again throughout the course of history. Hopefully, this thread will reflect these common patterns by looking at the behavior of the whole by studying its parts.


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Posted 26 October 2019 - 12:01 PM

Here's an interesting phenomena in pop culture

The Happiest Place on Earth

What Exactly are Disneyland Social Clubs?

    Disneyland social clubs are an organized group of fans that gather together to share their love all things Disney. Social clubs have their own unique attire, to separate themselves from other Disneyland visitors.  Each club has their own guidelines and steps for members to follow before joining. All social clubs names reflect something Disney related and have a certain part of Disneyland they enjoy spending time at the most.

When Did Social Clubs Start?

    Groups like social clubs have been around for about 15 years or so but they were totally different in nature. Back in the late 90’s,  there was a large influx of teens that started to get Disneyland Annual Passes, and they would come into Disneyland in huge groups. Many of these teens would come to Disneyland, cause trouble around the park (vandalizing attractions), and not follow by Disneyland’s code of conduct. These rebellious groups of teens were known as the Disneyland locals. A few years after the Disneyland local teens started to take over, Disneyland started to crackdown hard on them. Eventually Disneyland cleared the park of these rambunctious teens. Fast-forward to 2011 , when Instagram started to become really popular, and social clubs started popping up around Disneyland. However, the huge difference between the Disneyland locals and social clubs is that social clubs do not vandalize and they follow Disneyland’s code of conduct. Social clubs have a deep respect for Disneyland and its guests. Social clubs just want to share their passion for Disney but do it in a rather unique way.


Disneyland is known for many things. There are rides like It's a Small World and Splash Mountain, the insanely delicious Dole Whip, the cartoon characters come to life, and all the indisputable happiness of the Happiest Place on Earth. And now, it's becoming known for its gangs.

Yes, there are Disneyland gangs, and they can be more exclusive than Club 33. Some of these gangs even have beef with each other. The gangs prefer the term "social clubs," and to be fair, one of the main purposes of these clubs is to socialize with like-minded others. But a lawsuit filed in early 2018 suggests there might be something more sinister at work among at least one of the park's more prominent social clubs.

As a result, a new spotlight has focused on these unorthodox amusement park visitors, calling into question some of the known facts about social clubs at Disneyland and the impact such groups have on the park.

A Lawsuit Alleges One Club Uses 'Gangster-Like Tactics'
Members Are Voted Into The Clubs
Most Clubs Enjoy A Friendly Relationship With One Another
The Clubs Are Named After Characters And Rides At The Park
They Do Extensive Charity Work
It's All About The Vest
Social Club Members' Love For Disney Cannot Be Stressed Enough
Disneyland Is Cool With The Clubs
Some Groups Mimic The Clubs Without Subscribing To Their Values
Social Media Helped Popularize The Clubs
The First Clubs Formed In 2013
The Clubs Are Just One In A Long Line Of Groups That Have Stirred Things Up At Disneyland



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Posted 26 October 2019 - 12:18 PM


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Posted 26 October 2019 - 12:27 PM

We'll see about taking a look at a few and look at how they've affected society and history. People do need a sense of belonging to something greater than themselves. Even if it is just a silly Disney Fan Club.

There are a lot of societies and groups to look at: The Templar's, Illuminate, Freemasons, Bilderbergers, Bohemians, Shriner's, Societies of the elect, and so forth and so on...

Plus there are other more obscure ones with specific goals in mind. Such as the Thule, Vril, other German Brotherhoods. Even a few ancient ones like the Pythagorean Brotherhood, the Mithraic and Eleusinian Mysteries. Islamic Assassins and the Medieval Cathars. Don't forget the Rosicrucians, the Mafia, Thuggees, Aryans, and Crowley. Occultism is prevalent in them all.

Terrorists enjoy their secrets too. Even a few communist societies. Japan and the Dragon societies might even be mentioned. Nevermind China and India. Every country on Earth has their Secret Elite to guide them.

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Posted 26 October 2019 - 12:41 PM

The most famous secret society, of course, are the Knights Templar. Most know the history regarding their status but the biggest question that remains is what happened to the treasure and riches they possessed. Some say it was spirited to Scotland and helped Robert the Bruce engage England in their war for independence. Others mention Switzerland as a stronghold. The fact remains that the treasure was never found.

Claims were made suggesting the Templars had imported secret doctrines from the Far East and had renounced the religion of St. Peter. There are stories saying they adopted arcane Judaic doctrine from St. John the Apostle. Tales of idol worship are prevalent too. Baphomet being the chief among them. Some sects used different idols to represent the same thing: a human head with two or three faces, a cat, a bearded man, or a woman are common. All idols are thought to grant protection, find riches, guard treasure, make the land fertile, the trees grow, and the crops bountiful.

Their infamous departure from the world scene sprouted many branches. Many groups of today claim they're direct heirs from the Templars. The best known being the Freemasons. Rosicrucian's also claim this authority. In 1804 a society calling themselves Ordre du Temple claimed to be the original Templars restored.

Knights Templar | World History | Khan Academy

Overview of the Knights Templar and their role as international banking pioneers during the Crusades.

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Posted 26 October 2019 - 03:36 PM



Under the Liberty Tree


Masonic Revolutions in America and France

Secret societies play an important part in any type of political upheaval.

The Sons of Liberty are an example of how groups of people rise up to voice their concern on how government treats its people. This group and their many cells organized attacks on all Royal Authority. It even acted like a shadow government in British controlled areas. They originated as a spin off the Freemasons. Their main beef was the trading practices of the British trading companies. The taxes, duties, and other fees were exorbitant and the treatment for collecting them harsh.


More background for the reasons here:





Generalizing Freemasons as a whole is never a good idea. George Washington and Ben Franklin condemned these extreme groups that morphed out of freemasonry in general. Many Freemasons did and still do end up on opposing sides of any political agenda. Remember, Benedict Arnold was a Freemason.

Even though the Sons of Liberty serve as a military arm in a political struggle, by definition, these types of extreme groups are terrorists.

For more on the strategy of their purpose click here:


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Posted 26 October 2019 - 03:42 PM

Another interesting offshoot of the Freemasons...


The Royal Order of Jesters


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Posted 26 October 2019 - 04:09 PM

Was there really a Masonic Agenda? As a whole yes, but absolutely not when it comes to what kind of agenda. Not only that, the Freemasons are also linked to the Illuminati. You know those guys.

1776 was a very pivotal year. Many societies perked up all at once. All the important people in world governments started getting involved in them one way or another. Many wanted independence of their own from any form of monarchy and clergy rule. Siting taxation, fines, fees, and other charges as the main reason for government failure.

France had similar problems as the Americas. All these problems involved financing, overspending, and over extensions on loans from the money changers. The Clergy, the King, his court, the bureaucracy and all their lackeys had a greedy foothold on the Third Estate (the bottom of the pyramid). There was agenda and drama everywhere. Even the French King was not immune. The Duke of Orleans wanted the crown for himself and financed his own foment within. The Duke used his own Freemason groups as demagogues to blast the populace with propaganda along with violent outbursts.

The Nine Sisters Lodge is one of many. Ben Franklin and John Paul Jones were also members of this lodge.


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Posted 26 October 2019 - 04:22 PM

Of course, this kind of thing foments resentment and rebellion. This is when the Jacobins first appeared on the scene. Also known as the Society for the Friends of the Constitution. Extreme in nature and not afraid to get their hands bloody. These guys wanted to abolish all religion, change the dating system, and communize the whole government as a whole. They even achieved this for a time. They were said to be the brain child of a British Freemason faction. The name itself is said to be a thinly veiled homage to Templar Grand Master Jacques de Molay. Even within their own ranks there were splits in agenda. Factions dictated and fought for authority. They still do.

Memoirs Illustrating the History of Jacobinism



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Posted 26 October 2019 - 04:36 PM

There is a heavy claim made that the Freemasons founded the United States. Regardless, they were a minority within the population. And they were not evenly distributed across the spectrum. But, as the old saying goes "history is made by active minorities, not majorities".



Philadelphia became the Mother City of Freemasonry in America for both the Ancients and the Moderns. Members were recruited from the upper echelons of society. Well to do, well educated, small farmers, and affluent working men were invited. All members had positions of influence in their communities. Of course, there were splits of agendas everywhere within.

There are differences in how Masonic Lodges throughout the United States conduct their ceremonies. This is attributable to two primary reasons. First, Freemasonry in the U.S. has its foundation in two different Masonic traditions, the “Ancients” and the “Moderns”. Secondly, there is no “Grand Lodge of America”. In the United States each state has its own Grand Lodge that presides over the subordinate lodges in that state. Each state Grand Lodge is its own jurisdiction; answerable only to its own constitution. Therefore, differences may arise due to the underlying Masonic tradition as well as how various practices and procedures have evolved from state to state.





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